Value Town #203: Aktuelle Nerfs, Genn/Baku & mehr (mit Dean „Iksar“ Ayala) [Update]

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    In der neuesten Ausgabe von Value Town sprechen ChanmanV und RegisKillbin mit Hearthstone Lead Game Designer Dean „Iksar“ Ayala u.a. über die aktuellen Nerfs vom 05.02., Genn/Baku und mehr.

    Update: Hier noch eine (englische) Zusammenfassung des Interviews mit Dean „Iksar“ Ayala aus dem Video (via Reddit):


    • Dean has a new puppy. Doing this interview in his free time!
    • balance patch was mostly aimed at the longterm health of the game but they pay attention to the current state of the meta
    • goal was freeing up deck space, enabling more creativity without destroying existing play styles
    • classes having clear weaknesses is important as otherwise they would feel samey
    • they’re currently playtesting set 1 and 2 of this year
    • resource generation will be much lighter post rotation (feeling more like original hearthstone)
    • it’s challenging to give the current best deck new stuff to play with in an expansion without power creep or making it overpowered.
    • currently too many OTK decks out there, some worse than others in terms of game feel. Worst one: Mecha’thun priest. Signaling/ building up is important.
    • lack of resource wars (because of infinite resource generators like Rexxar) lead to OTK decks
    • they really liked Dirty Rat and we should expect more cards like that in the „short term future“
    • Dean would love to hear Keaton (Chakki) out there. Has to finish Blizzards media training first.


    • Cold Blood is still powerful and gonna be played in rogue
    • game design wise Preparation is one of the most restrictive rogue spells but not necessarily in a terrible way
    • they talk a lot about Preparation but didn’t find a good reason to nerf it at the moment
    • Cold Blood was restrictive in that it made it difficult to print more through put/ damage spells without enabling a pure face/ burn deck


    • Shamans core identity is summoning totems and find ways to utilize them (flametongue, Bloodlust, future cards)
    • not a lot of players notice that shamans care about battlecries
    • shamans are one of the most challenging to design for in terms of class identity because they do everything a bit (jack of all trades). So what are they not supposed to be good at?
    • Short term answer: shamans should be bad at generating resources ( probably no more Hagatha type cards).


    • Equality probably still gonna be used in upcoming control paladin decks
    • Equality „skipped“ 3 mana nerf because it was the right thing to do in the long term.
    • If 3 mana was the right solution they probably would have adressed Baku with it.


    • Hunter’s Mark and Rexxar are shoring up some weaknesses hunters should have
    • Hunters not supposed to be good at removing giant minions (as opposed to mage or rogue)
    • Hunters are good at doing face damage and playing beasts
    • Downside of Emerald Spellstone was supposed to be playing defensively by playing traps. Cards like Wandering Monster turned out to be more proactive (minion and trap in one)

    Game Cost

    • part of the goal of toning down classic and basic cards is more expansion cards to see play
    • while exciting for really engaged audience he recognices it’s a detriment for newer/ budget players
    • they don’t want an insurmountable wall for new players. Making decks cheaper via super powerful classic/ basic cards would be a bad solution to that problem
    • That’s why they’re doing events, bundles, free legendaries at launch, new player experience, free golden login cards etc.
    • they’re discussing the current reward structure of the game (end of season/ arena rewards etc.)
    • they’re brainstorming ideas for additional reward systems (get stuff for playing beyond the daily quest). It’s a long term project

    Baku/ Genn

    • Genn/ Baku pose issues to having a super fun new year which feels different and has new strategies
    • They haven’t landed on a solution yet. Keeping the spirit of the cards/decks while playing at a lower power level is difficult.
    • <strong class=“s90z9tc-14 juBaow“>They want to have solved the problem by the time the next expansion comes around.
    • Consistency is part of the selling point of the archetypes.
    • when designing Baku/ Genn only odd warrior and paladin were thought to be the power outliers. Issue now is that there are 7 or 8 decks that are extremely powerful which makes it very difficult to design around.


    • Team 5 hears a lot about Barnes and they talk about it a lot (along with Baku and Genn)
    • Barnes decks are played more than their win rate would suggest > a lot of people seem to like playing them. It’s not a balance concern it’s a feels concern.
    • They don’t wanna completely take away some peoples favorite archetype, especially in wild > what should they change?
    • difficult to keep tight class identities in wild (the few neutral healing cards each year eventually make heal hunter possible)
    Dabei seit 22.03.2013
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    Dabei seit 18.07.2015
    2.465 348 CDC

    Ist doch klar, wie Blizz Genn und Baku nerfen wird:

    Genn 1 Mana teurer und Baku 2 Mana teurer machen. 😂


    Dabei seit 01.08.2016
    746 73

    Die sollen erstmal schauen, dass sie ihre aktuellen Nerfs richtig in den Griff kriegen. Allem Anschein nach haben die vergessen Whizbang mit anzupassen. Jetzt funktionieren einige Decks nicht mehr richtig, z.B. hat das Roguedeck mit Keleseth jetzt 2 Mana Cold Blood drin.


    Dabei seit 28.04.2015
    56 3D+6

    Kommt mir bekannt vor, ich hatte bei Nerf vom Mana Wyrm gar nicht begriffen, warum mein odd Mage auf einmal die Sonderfähigkeit nicht mehr aktiviert.

    Durch Zufall, als ich den Mana Wyrm das erste mal gezogen haben, ist es mir aufgefallen.

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